There seems to be a misunderstanding about the results this yields. If I were to make it I would use .040 bring the 80" value to .328, this is enough to stop all the rod action. 0.292 But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you! This rod belonged to rodbuilder Tim Bedford. All that stops me is time, I get about six weeks a year unencumbered by business or meetings and I'm booked up to 2010! by avyoung 06/12/16 18:13, Post In fact, if you want to design a cane "Parabolic" which will perform as Ritz wanted all you have to do is choose a tip taper you fancy and plonk it out on the end of a fast taper hollow built butt of whatever length you fancy. by trouttrapper 06/12/16 09:32, Post Easy casting and very versatile. Step Down debate again. CSE made the ferrule for me. (David Atchison), Didn't Dickerson make his own ferrules and weren't they slightly oversized? Help from forum members would be welcomed. (Lew) Parks. Remember that respect and civility is the goal of this board. 35 0.1695 . I like 8013's. A Powell B taper by definition is a straight taper. ), Then as it was, then again it will be. The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. Here's a classic Winston from the Hexrod taper archive. (Will McMurrey). 'smoothed' tapers are a result of computer tapers and exhibit a poor understanding of how dickerson designed his tapers. Tuesday - Sunday, 10am to 4pm, Winter They look very representative to what I have seen. Some people call them "step-down" but it is worth noting that the top and the bottom openings of his ferrules are usually the same diameter; the "step" across the ferrule occurred in the bamboo, not the metal. 0.369 (Al Baldauski). Neither of the Powell's on Hexrod are straight taper, I have no Winston tapers handy. 10 0.101 154505 I noticed a couple of versions of this taper where the swell was moved out in front of the grip but all of the original 1970 versions show it differently. by dkrismer 06/12/16 20:36, Post The butts are just not stiff enough, although, in some, the tips are quite satisfactory. I thought it was in there, but I didn't have the link, and the CD I got from Lowell is at home. Anyway, far too few people concern themselves over what should be the staple obsession of every rodmaker-design. Dickerson rods have the charm of being different (and scarce). Garrison's are straight except for the last 15 inches which he "fudged" to accommodate one of the standard tip top sizes. (Gary Nicholson), I think most rodmakers wouldn't build a rod to sell that they didn't like, but would make one for a customer that they wouldn't use themselves, I know I have. (Jerry Foster), I agree. (Bob Norwood). 6 wt 0.0752 If you are building in the drop at the ferule that Dickerson used, you will usually end up using a size larger ferrule than you'd normally think. That his tapers could be surpassed by todays standards? Unless that is what you are trying to achieve. The rod in question has a test curve of 4 ozs, by the way. All he needed to do was speed up the butts, preferably with a concave taper form, and he would really have been cooking with gas! 2023 American Museum Of Fly Fishing. I'm not familiar with Tom Fulk's true arc taper. Even if you take off 0.006 for varnish, in case that wasnt done, its still a 7 1/2 wt. As to my question about the ferrules is, your rods say, e.g. (Robin Haywood), Why don't you design some roll casting ability into every rod? I can add that there is not one single straight line taper for each line weight. Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. Daryll Whitehead would be another good choice. Made 2 of the heavier one. Tapers are very personal things. that is less the difference of the step. I recently sold a rod to a customer blind on the phone. I will be bringing it to Korea next trip to go for trout here in the eastern mountains. You may, or may not, as a rod designer, wish to achieve either, but probably not both! A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. (Mark Wendt), Was the varnish allowance of .004 already subtracted from the numbers for the 661510, or does it need to be done? The trouble is, the market wants one that can do everything superbly with ease, and for a quarter of the price you need to charge to make it a worthwhile business proposition. 0.189 The 8014 taper was devised later in Lyle's life and reflects both this ma I really must stir myself to come and fish them, it's time that's the enemy. .203 is about all you can get into a 13/64 ferrule. 90 0.329 and .360@45. the mid is 42' and the closest measurements are 40" and 45" SO 2/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 40 AND 42 AND 3/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 42 AND 45th. When things are stated incorrectly, many of the newer makers on the list can get very confused. On the other hand, Dickerson was designing rods (most likely) for Michigan waters. So the question - I have been trying to define the specific characteristic that each basic deviation from the SLT imparts to the action of the rod. 10 0.097 by cutthroattroutnm 05/09/09 16:50, Post Lyle Dickerson Spurred into rodmaking by losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on to become one of the masters of the craft. the stated ferrule dimensions always follow from the TIP dimensions, not the butt dimensions. All of the tapers that I am finding appear to be using a Super Z. I am not wanting to start the Super Z vs. Interests: Building bamboo fly rods (occasionally), fly fishing for trout. Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) (Robin Haywood), This would be very easy, but would impact on other desirable qualities. How would you characterize their casting characteristics? Spurred into rodmakingby losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on tobecome one of the masters of the craft. (Stephen Dugmore). Bogart Classic Wet Fly Rod 8.5 ft 5 wt Tip 5/64 For a DT #4 Here is a good classic wet fly taper that a real conisour of fly fishing would enjoy. Rods also tend to have varying sweet spots in terms of when the amount of line out feel just right. (Larry Puckett), If you look at page 104 of the Dickerson book you will see his die set. As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. The conversion file will convert tapers for Solid and Fluted rods for quad, penta, hepta, and oct construction. Gift of Heidi Bedford, Yearc. The 3 flats got averaged and put into a column in the center of the page. (Pete Van Schaack), Has anyone made the Dickerson 8015 guide special at some time? 0.214 It didn't make since to me but went ahead and planed the butt section the way it was listed. 0.350 I brought my recently acquired 861711D to Luray, Virginia to show/share with Chris at his rod shop open house some years ago. I look forward to continuing it, However I am off to spend a week over on the Henry's Fork. 10 .112 .262 A taper is a fishing rod term that defines the rod length, optimal line weight, and rod flex action. It's all pulled through by hand. (Greg Reeves). If you add bamboo the the tip of the rod, you have changed its mass (MOI/MOE) relative to what it was. .but like most opinions you will find that many on this list (and in the world at large) are not going to agree with you. He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. An 861711 would be an 8 1/2' three piece, with the butt-to-mid ferrule being a size 17, and the mid-to-tip ferrule being a size 11. It's why I'm fussy about ring weight on the tips of rods below #6. Although it takes only 3 sizes to make a given size ferrule, he may have made a specialty set. 0.360 (Tim Pembroke). 0.102 (Chris Obuchowski). All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide. You simply have to then adjust the rate of change of the taper - the rise. I hope this helps you out some, they are actually all nice rods, but as I said there is a little different in line sizes. Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. : This is a 5 wt line SLT. 0.153 42 .194 .066 (Max Satoh), Yep, the drop at the ferrule is .014 which should call for the use of a step down. First, no one casts the same. 25 .160 .308 It looked fairly thin. CANE RODS Tips & Tapers by Ray Gould has another version that averages out the step down. Cynically, but I may not have entirely given up, yet. Should be a very nice rod, good Taper. The butt has a long flex area from 45"- 75" and a butt swell. Ralph Tuttle did the actual spreadsheet work. Actually I feel an increase of .030 would be sufficient. I am still trying to fully define the effect, positive and negative each of these regions have on rod action. 30 .216 .099 0.220 I Have commented additionally, if trivially in a private post on the other points. I beef up the last 3 inches of the tip to fit the 14/64 male ferrule. This gives a quick, accurate impression as to what type of taper the rod is made from (straight, parabolic, compound, etc.) Experience the difference of a Mystic Fly Rod on your next expedition. (Will Price), You can adapt the taper that calls for a step down by putting a slight swell at the male ferrule end of the taper so that a super Z or super Swiss ferrule will work properly. Sorry! well there is your answer. Looking at the 5" dimensions for the Dickerson 7613 (1970 taper), there is a big swell under the grip. We're committed to providing a safe, comfortable environment for our travelers. I will add my 2 cents. a 3 1/2 wt - were that possible. Jim Payne. Dickerson 8015 Guide Model Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #6/7, Dickerson Model 8014 Bamboo Fly Rod 8' 2/3 #6, Dickerson Model 8013 Bamboo Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #5/6, Dickerson 761510 RB (Ray Bergman) Fly Rod 7'6" 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 9016 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/2, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711-D Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 8013 Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711-D Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 901812-C Bamboo Rod 9' 3/2 #7, Lyle Dickerson Model 6611 Bamboo Rod 6'6" 2/2 #3/4, Lyle Dickerson Model 7613 Hollow Bamboo Rod 7'6" 2/2 #4/5, Lyle Dickerson Model 661510 Bamboo Rod 6'6" 3/2 #4, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Guide Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 801510 Bamboo Rod 8' 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 7612 Bamboo Rod 7'6" 2/2 #4, Lyle Dickerson Model 761510 Bamboo Rod 7'6" 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 9016 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/3, Lyle Dickerson Model 9015 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 7012 Bamboo Rod 7' 2/2, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711 Special Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 801610 Bamboo Rod 8' 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 8615 Special Bamboo Rod 8'6" 2/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 961913 Bamboo Rod 9'6" 3/2 #7. 45 .216 .375 Not too many folks consider these mediocre. I have just finished reading your post regarding Straight Line Tapers and Straight horizontal Stress Curves and I must say that you as well as robin really do need a refresher course in Stress Curves. If you 'hide' columns you can then compare and easily see differences in any combination of selected rod tapers. I think the perfectionist is a fine taper and rod. Then the part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo inside the male slide 'stepped down' to .187" ID, or 12/64. Conversely, the .202 is at the low end of fit for a 14/64. (Jerry Foster), Where do you get that? The other point is that in the case of, for want of a better word, 'non-extreme' rods, I believe that what happens in the top 20" is the primary determinant of the line weight. I have also noticed the mention of a Dickerson 8014GS. Let's be honest about this. 4 wt 0.0680 35 .188 .332 But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. How drastically do you think it would change the action if I pushed the swell out in front of the handle? 70 0.271 If you want the rod to have the same characteristics as before the change, the you must add some cane to the mid/butt of the rod to maintain the balance that was there before. 9 wt 0.0890. by slate river 05/10/09 16:30, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. The last tip measurement (that goes into the male ferrule) is .204. DICKERSON 801610 - 8' 3/2 - 5wt- honey colored - medium powerful action trout fishing rod this rod is my favorite 8 foot Dickerson - originals are very rare - incredible power in a true 5w$ 2150us (all 3pc 2tip rods)DICKERSON 7613 - 7'6"- one of my all time favorite 5wts, copied in Dickerson's style can be custom made with tips of four different actions below: DICKERSON 7613 LS - the lightest of this series - for closer casting to 40 feetDICKERSON 7613 L - very nice all-round trout taper, full, medium fast actionDICKERSON 7613 M - quick, full dry fly rod - nice to have when the hatch startsDICKERSON 7613 H the 6wt, "big gun" of this series, good for big flies, streamers, $ 1750us w/one tip $ 1950us w/two tips $ 2150us w/three (or all 3pc 2tip rods) $ 2350us w/full set of four tips in all actions. 0.206 The guy turns out to be a top casting instructor. Even then I wince about their roll casting deficiencies. ferrules, such as Mr. Youngs can be made to fit such a drop but the historical norm was to fit to the smaller diameter. Manchester, VT 05254 I've also made an 8-1/2' with tip dimension of .072, which made a really nice 6/7 weight. I would be very interested in hearing what you have to say about the differences between the two tapers. (Robin Haywood), I think you have missed the point completely, just how many straight tapers have you made and what are their tip and station values? 10 .310 .159 Take a virtual tour of our terminal and view our campus map. Removing material in the center creates a hinge aiding in roll casting ability (thank you Harry for that bit of information). (Bret Reiter), I call this one a seven too. (Will Price), Dickerson standardized his reel seats with a 3/8's inside diameter bore, hence the .375 under the grip and reel seat. For any thing else but roll casting or keeping a very finite weight of DT in the air, it's useless. To all of them and their contemporaries we are grateful . In other words as the load increased, more of the rod would flex in a liner fashion. . So I thought I would answer that question and build one. All rights reserved. 0 0.072 - As for roll casting, the only person I know who documented his thoughts was Wayne Cattanach.. The 1952 Dickerson is similar to the GW except it's a 5/6 wt. (Tim Pembroke). That's not how they're made, see my previous post, or get a set of old time Leonard, Payne, Dickerson or anyone else's, other than cheep H-I or Montague's which had a necked down female, and measure them, the bamboo opening on both kinds of ferrules is the same on the male as it is on the female. There are several different specs for this taper out there, three of which I use. These were Bailey Woods stepdown ferrules. To my way of looking at this taper, its definitely an 8 wt. I've mostly used it for bass. But if you change any of these inputs, the taper, length or weight of line cast, the stress curve will no longer be flat. (Chris Obuchowski), Hexrods library seems to suggest otherwise. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), As far as being a Straight horizontal Stress Curve it makes NO difference what the rod is as long as the conditions produce a SHSC. (Will McMurrey), A picture says a thousand words. His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. He has some of the original taper ledgers from Dickerson's shop and can clone a rod as well as anyone. Please allow up to 120 days for completion of your new rod. (Chris Obuchowski). 0.369 There are actually at least four different versions of the 7613; two by Dickerson a 1952 and a 1970 model, one by Golden Witch and one by Todd Talsma. The rod action will not resemble a straight line taper any longer. These get assimilated quite directly into stress curve approach. Summers & Co. - Womens Sports ApparelBob with Granddaughter Cara FlyfishingGreat Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly FishingOutdoor Writer and Used Book SalesFishing and Wing Shooting Guide ServiceGreat Lakes Charter FishingSporting JewlerCustom GunsmithingFine Hand EngravingFine Reel & Rod Cases, 90 River Road, EastTraverse City, Michigan 49696 USAPhone/Fax (231) 946-7923bobsummers@charter.net, 2222 - 7. by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post like .03%/inch. Bill said that the book he has written on the subject is going to the printers and should be out soon.. (No financial interest.) It also is fine on smaller streams. They would be, Heavy butt section, Light butt section, heavy tip, light tip, Parabolic (heavy in the middle) and the hinge (light in the middle). 8ft #5wt. Dickerson R.W. (Timothy Troester). As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. Chris acquired one shortly thereafter. (Greg Reeves), TipsHome - What'sNew - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - ContactUs - TaperArchives (Matthew French), Different rods, the 8014 is a true 6wt, the 8014G (G stands for guide) is a heavier rod, a point and shoot, no false cast, lay out a ton of line type rod. Sold Out $4,050.00 Description Particulars For your consideration is a Lyle Dickerson model 8013 bamboo fly rod made in 1948. Regarding Chris Bogart's Dickerson. Powell Rods. Don't leave us hangin' here with a sniper shot and leave ;-) (Mark Wendt), Truth be known, I prefer Payne to Dickerson. 0.248 Post (Jerry Foster). I assume that he extrapolated those measurements. (Steve Weiss), Good idea, Steven, but you would have get in line behind me and one of my Garrisons. The slope of the taper of this rod is .014/5" or a B-8.4 (taking the average drop from 80" thru 0"). You can do all the compensation you like for varnish thickness, ring weight and ferrules but you will still not produce anything like as good as a properly calculated compound taper rod. (Dennis Higham). Casting 20 feet of 5wt line the stress curve is flat. So this spring I made the Dickerson 8014 Guide taper and prefer it for Lake Bass and larger bluegill. Very similar to the 8013 action ( my favorite rod ) but in the 4w class, mission accomplished. Yes. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. Mystic Outdoors is the premier manufacturer of high-performance fly fishing equipment for new anglers and seasoned veterans alike. So it seems that we are actually in complete agreement. They are very nice 5 weights ( IMHO it is THE 8 5 wt). I like Paynes too! A straight taper may always lead to a more or less straight stress curve but it will only be flat if a lot of stars are in alignment. For each size ferrule there is a specific range of dimensions that will fit inside each size. .278@25 (Robin Haywood). Solid construction of suitable solidity involved unattractive weight penalties. The only limit you have in this process, you can't change the tip diameter because you would be changing the line weight of the rod. They did not understand that a slow taper pole will bend near the point of grip under stress, whereas a fast taper will bend increasingly towards the tip as the rate of taper increases. So now where do you add or subtract material and what effect will it have on the rod. Cross Rods. Can someone explain what this means and what number should I use. (John Channer). It's an Asian knockoff of a Dickerson 7012 4WT 7-0 taper. Quite a disparity. At Headwaters Bamboo Rod Company we build our rods based on proven "historical" tapers, meaning that the tapers we use were designed by Twentieth Century bamboo fly rod craftsmen. You don't find a need for a 7'6" 5wt on your streams. The '51 is a bit softer. Maybe they were off a little but I have no reason to believe that if his 13 die were 13.5 he would not have marked it thusly. A rod from John is the next best thing to the real thing. I have fit the ferrules but not glued them up yet. 0.088 (David Zincavage), I wouldn't turn down a couple of each for crackers. They will not be using straight tapers, I'm afraid. I just put stepdown ferrules on my first rod, an 8014 Dickerson. Strong tip; butt has flex area from 45" to 80" then a butt swell at 80". I think of it as an 8013G. This will be three tips (light, heavy and SLT), three butts (light, heavy, SLT), a parabolic and a hinge. The rest of the shown increase is, in my opinion, just for looks. Just give John a call and talk to him very nice guy with a lot of knowledge in Dickerson tapers. he then concludes with a diabolical smile. that drop is a hallmark of all 2pc dickerson tapers. The tips look essentially the same. 0.214 A 2pc rod is much less vulnerable to breakage when fitted that way than a 3pc tip ferrule. As you know line weight do vary so maybe your 8 wt is my 7 wt, or something like that? 85 0.3145 Can do a little better some days, but not always. 0 .084 .238 (2 1/2" @ ferrule wrap) That said, even this quite powerful taper isn't sufficient to handle large deer hair bass bugs or heavily weighted 2/0 streamers. Since the time he was with the Deschutes Rod Co. in Seattle he has built rods with Dickerson tapers. Only trouble with the rod is that there aren't many places in Md. If you want to see the justification for compound tapers look at the design of the Eiffel tower or any electricity pylon. If you look at the individual changes every five inches, no they are not always .014, but the mean and mode are .014". The fact that a rod has a straight taper does not tell us if the stress curve is flat or slopes up or down. Harry Boyd ----------- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com maker@canerods.com Aransas.clarks Guide Posts: 301 But I imagine that high output builders didn't have every rod turn out the same for whatever reason. This is the second invitation to fish Michigan, and I thank you sincerely for it. I would describe the rod action as very powerful, as you would expect from most Dickersons. Must have been a real thrill to cast Banjos' rod. Taxes and shipping calculated at checkout, Browse our bamboo fly rods in stock and available now, Browse our collection of reels in stock and available now. It's a 7 wt too but being a little shorter is easier on the arm and shoulder due to the shorter lever arm length. I am sure there are situations where a bit more length would be helpful, but who am I to argue with Mr. Dickerson? The rod is currently 7'-2" after a test fit so I want to trim to the correct 7-0 length. The point here being, if we can define areas along the straight line or linier taper. . 0.266 70 0.261 133729 (Robin Haywood). Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. However many people may like them, does this mean they cannot be improved on? Examples would be different techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers. 45 0.186 158623 Especially if you know how the rods actually cast. 0.144 (Paul Blakley), I think a 7'6'' rod is short for any line weight. I've made at least a dozen Perfectionists (most with a swelled butt so they aren't exactly the same) and all their owners love them. The difference is for a step-down ferrule. Just basic principles that have been around for years. Brewer Rods These rods use tried and true taper designs as a starting point. I personally have never been able to use them to describe the characteristics of a taper. 20 .245 .130 Chris' rod is also an 861711D. It was normal at the time to fit ferrules to the tip and undercut the butt to fit. Dickerson Rods For Sale The only question that puzzles me is why on earth he thought this might be important for fishing the Risle, which is hardly the Tay. The trouble is, that's all it does! Obviously, custom tapers take a little longer to develop and build. I finally made one for my wife and cut one into 4 pieces for me. I haven't tried a WF6 but suspect it'd be about perfect. I have always wondered why we don't just build linear tapers. (Steve Weiss), That opens up another question. I have been gobs smacked many times when the customer turns around and says I like this one. I always use Super Z, but I am not really into creating exact reproductions. 60 0.231 142296 Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. What physical characteristics make a taper roll cast well. I have a tough time roll casting over about 65' with any rod, no matter how long or limber. For example, the 8013 taper I use is .202 at the ferrule end of the tip, and .212 at the ferrule end of the butt. About a week ago I was fishing the hex hatch on a certain small Wisconsin stream for the first time in many years, with a 7.5 ft 5wt, and actually wished I had a much shorter rod, given the overhanging trees. I am assuming this is an unvarnished rod. The line weight standards are simply points in what is really a continuous spectrum. The ordeal with the broken rod changed my whole way of looking at ferrule sizes. After looking at the taper which has a fairly big step down at the ferrule I decided in my humble opinion to put some of the cane back about .01". Is there a classic taper that roll casts better any others? As a rule I only make #5 rods (like Marinaro) and the bulk of these are less than 7'6". A longer rod would help with the line control, but the drifts tend to be fairly short to rising fish. As we all know, rods can often cast line weights one up and down from their designated ones. F E Thomas. We all have devices to try to self describe tapers. The Dickerson step down ferrule concept I need to know. by ShenRods 05/08/09 01:54, Post Nowadays, some guys machine ferrules out of bar stock, and they have a reasonable way to make the openings different sizes on the top and bottom. In the hands of a good caster, this taper will make a fly line do things that amaze. Why? As Will predicts, this is a very pleasant and easy rod to cast. That's so the swell is still in the action length. (Will McMurrey). I love the 7612 Taper. by avyoung 06/17/16 00:43, Post This should cause some debate as a lot of our American cousins rave about this wimpy stick? (Bob Norwood). Front of the masters of the page remember that respect and civility is the 5! Lake Bass and larger bluegill ahead and planed the butt section the way it,... 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